Mustang Facebook- Heel and Toe, Really?

"The man in the iron mask" (Themanintheironmask) 11/06/2013 at 13:30 • Filed to: None

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its impossible with those pedals. I have an 08. i dont know if the 11-13 can, but i dont think so

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 13:36

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They can't. At all. The gas pedal sits lower and too far, laterally, away from the brake pedal.

You would need Shaq sized feet, and an extension on the gas pedal to be able to.

Those guys are really making us look bad.....

Biapilotaceman > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 13:37

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What are you talking about? I heel-toe all the time in mine. You just have to be breaking hard enough for the pedals to be in the right place for it, just like any other car. Granted, heel-toe isn't an accurate description. It's more rolling on the ball of your foot. But it's definitely possible.

Takuro Spirit > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 13:39

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Yup. Every MT Ford I've driven is like that. Silly, really.

Biapilotaceman > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 13:45

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I must be some kind of genius then, because I heel and toe downshift in my mustang just about every day— and my feet are relatively small. It's definitely not impossible.

Biapilotaceman > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 13:50

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If anything, the weight of the flywheel hinders rev matching with heel and toe more than the pedal placement does. If the flywheel were lighter, you could poke the throttle with your pinky toe and get enough revs to match the downshift. As it is, you kind of have to dig in at an angle to get enough, which I think might be what your real issue is.

lonestranger > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 13:53

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If you're breaking your car, you're doing it wrong.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 13:56

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What year mustang?

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Takuro Spirit 11/06/2013 at 13:56

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I could HT just fine in my New Edge.

Biapilotaceman > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 13:58

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It's a 2007. I'm really confused why everyone has agreed that it's impossible.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Takuro Spirit 11/06/2013 at 13:59

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Yes it really is, because I don't see why the pedals need to be at uneven levels anyways? I had to spend $150 on pedals just to get some that sit evenly. Disappointing.

Biapilotaceman > lonestranger 11/06/2013 at 13:59

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Ugh. Sorry. I'm posting from my phone in a flurry of "someone's wrong on the internet."

Braking.

Takuro Spirit > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/06/2013 at 14:03

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Well maybe they've changed their ways. Haven't driven a newer stick shift ford.

They call me the Beav > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 14:12

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I totally disagree. I have an o5 and have zero problems doing either the more casual "rolling on the ball of the foot, left toe/right toe" downshift or the actual, proper heel-toe. Then again, I have size 13 feet (14 in Pumas) so that could be the reason.

Übel > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 14:15

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Maybe it's different for the Mustang, but it seems to me that even pedals would be a pain in the butt for heel-toeing. In my GTI, the uneven pedals work out so that when you're braking the pedal winds up nearly level to the gas so you can easily rotate over and blip it, whereas I feel like level pedals would mean doing some weird contortions to reach the gas during braking.

jlmounce > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 14:15

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I heal toe'd my 99 Cobra, 03 Cobra, 08 GT/CS and 11 GT. Placement isn't perfect, but definitely doable with practice. Maybe being an ex soccer player with bionic ankles helped me?!?

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 14:15

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I owned an '08 GT and there is no way you could properly heel-toe. And by properly I mean drive on a track and go diving into a corner, toe on close to full lock with the brake pedal, and hell blipping the throttle of the gas.

Driving normally through the city, it might be possible since you're not under any real heavy braking. But REAL heel-toe, on a track, in heavy braking and driving, no way. There are forum discussions I myself have started on corral and S197 forums with multiple people who do road course driving and agreed with me. Many of them had to do the same as me and either by new pedal covers that extend the gas pedal over, or get new pedal assemblies all together that make them level and properly placed.

Swapping to a lighter flywheel did nothing for me. Drive-by-wire doesn't really cope well with small throttle blips by nature. It can be fixed in tuning the ECU for a more linear response, but that's a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

lonestranger > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 14:20

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Been there, done that!

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 14:20

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disregard

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Übel 11/06/2013 at 14:24

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100% level yes, but the gas pedal on my '08 GT and now my '04 Cobra were both much too down to actually work properly.

Also have to think about cars having differences when it comes to the amount of brake pedal movement needed to go into full lock as well. The brake setup on my '04 is super stiff, so very little movement is needed, it's more about finesse. However on my '08 it did require a bit more pedal movement before it went into full lock. So I can see where that would be beneficial depending on the movement on the brake pedal and the relative point of the gas pedal at that time.

If you take a look at most race pedal assemblies they're all pretty much level with the gas maybe a 1/4 or 1/2 inch slightly back.

My '08 and '04 stock were about a good inch farther back. Not quite the same.

The man in the iron mask > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 14:26

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you must use skater shoes then, and your brake pedal goes way down thats a problem there.

The man in the iron mask > jlmounce 11/06/2013 at 14:27

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if you have driven other cars you would know what im talking about, mustang pedals are really uncomfortable for heel and toe. you shouldnt be struggling your ankles to make heel and toe. I dont know about the 99 but the 05 models, the brake when braking is still too far in front of the gas pedal

The man in the iron mask > They call me the Beav 11/06/2013 at 14:29

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how far does the brake pedal also may be one reason, 05 could have lost some brake fluid or something, think about it its been 8 years now

Biapilotaceman > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 14:30

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If anything, it's much more difficult for me to heel toe during regular driving. I've been to the track multiple times, and under heavy braking is when the heel and toe is easiest because with the brake depressed its much closer in height to the gas pedal. It only makes sense, since that's when its meant to be used. Obviously we've had very different experiences with the car, but in my experience it comes most naturally under the track day situation you described and most awkwardly during everyday driving.

The man in the iron mask > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 14:32

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yeah they cant, as you say the gas pedal is further down even when the brake pedal is pressed, for other people that say they can, they should check their brakes, if the pedal is traveling closer to the floor than it should.

The man in the iron mask > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 14:34

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or your brake pedal is going down further than it should really. Check on other sites, the brake pedal while being braked is way more in front than the gas pedal.

Dr. Hoon > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 14:35

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My '11 GT is set up really nicely for heel-toe. Done many hours on the track with it.

The man in the iron mask > Dr. Hoon 11/06/2013 at 14:39

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great! , but some people are saying on their 05 models that they can. I tell them somethings wrong with their brake pedal, its traveling further down than it should. My 08 has 22,000 km on it, so the brakes are new, the brake pedal when pressed is still too far in front of the gas pedal, so you cant blip the throttle at all.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 14:46

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Yeah I mean if it works for you then that's awesome, but I know a lot of others and even some racing teams that definitely aren't in the same boat. I just want everything to go back to manual, non drive-by-wire, setups. That's part of the reason why I love my '04 Cobra. It's so much more responsive being cable driven. It seems like Ford's drive-by-wire systems are very lacking in responsiveness and linearity.

Dr. Hoon > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 14:49

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I will say that if I get goofy and try to practice on the street, it's pretty much a no-go. You have to be braking hard to get the brake pedal down to throttle-pushing range.

jlmounce > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 14:51

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Just because I've had a lot of mustangs does not mean I've only driven Mustangs. I've also owned and driven various different corvette's, an assortment of fwd sport compacts and hot hatches including my current VW GTI.

I will agree that the mustang's pedal placement is not ideal. I've certainly driven cars with better pedal ergonomics. The fact remains that you certainly can heel-toe shift a mustang. Every car is different and requires practice to extract the most out of it.

Übel > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 11/06/2013 at 14:56

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That answers it perfectly :p I knew about the level pedals in race cars, but I just attributed that to rock hard brakes, and I've never driven a road car with that little pedal travel. The GTI's gas is probably 3/4" down, but there's quite a bit of travel in the brake pedal so it all works out quite nicely.

The man in the iron mask > jlmounce 11/06/2013 at 15:01

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Well then you know that other pedals are better for doing heel and toe. My mustangs brake doesnt pair up nor come close with the thottle under heavy braking so... Yeah i cant do it on mine.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Übel 11/06/2013 at 15:01

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Little pedal travel can be atrocious if you're not use to it. I have a 2012 Focus and my Cobra. The Focus is pretty much like your GTI sounds, where its spongy and has a good bit of travel. My Cobra is the complete opposite, so I'm notorious for when I swap cars and slam the brakes thinking its going to be spongy like the Focus lol. Definitely not the norm, but necessary when on a track IMO.

They call me the Beav > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 15:54

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I bleed the brakes/ refill the fluid before every autocross season, and installed stainless lines a few years ago

They call me the Beav > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 16:00

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I'll just attribute it to my freakishly large feet haha

Biapilotaceman > The man in the iron mask 11/06/2013 at 17:11

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The man in the iron mask > Biapilotaceman 11/06/2013 at 18:45

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well then if you can thats awesome, but on other cars this is much more easy to do because the pedals are better placed.
notice your heel is very close to the floor mat and the side mat, with big feet that gets in your heels way. BTW your shoes are cool.
Heres how i think it would be an easy heel and toe (google image)